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RagnarRocks
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Isis Threat to western life  Reply with quote

Saw Mi6 mention this on another thread and thought it worthy of a thread or it's own.

Whilst IS and it's desire to recreate a caliphate all the way up to southern Spain may seem a world away from here, do the present a direct threat to the wests ways of life. Today I see they are making threats to the USA and we should not forget that according to news sources there are some 500 volunteers from the UK fighting with them. To put that in perspective over a regiment in size all from these fair isles.
Some sources say that the size of Isis is only in the region of 7000 strong if that is the case it shows the damage a relatively small group of well armed men can do.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armed  with not too modern weapons captured from Iraqi forces. They have a finite supply and as the yanks blow em up at every opportunity they won't last too long. Probably why they are cross with USA. Much more of a threat to us when they come home in my opinion. Our government hopefully has in place a stratergy for making sure they don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isis have released a video of them beheading a us journalist tonight.
apparently it is a British fighter that did it also.
they have another us journalist that they say will be next
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really shows the mentality of these people. Journalists, medics no one is safe from them. The absolute barbarity of their actions speaks volumes about the type of people they are. Just psychopaths with a cause to reek medieval  horrors upon the world.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Ragnar and ducati here, my biggest concern is what these barbarians will do on the streets of Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, London etc. How do you think the powers that be should deal with them on their return?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they know who they are, arrest and internment on return subject to investigation of their movements and actions. followed by trial and incarceration for a million years.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think they should have the freedom to our country when they return. They should be detained & questioned as a terrorist risk   Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ducati wrote:
If they know who they are, arrest and internment on return subject to investigation of their movements and actions. followed by trial and incarceration for a million years.
under what charge?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need one for internment.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dependent on who they are , some have their passports removed from them so they can't re-enter the country. Some still have other nationalities which could be used I'm not 100% sure but I think Indians can still get a passport up to 2nd generation  immigrant.
Most or the organisations they belong to are illegal but that in itself wouldn't give you a reason to detain them for a long period.

New times with new laws required. What you have to accept is that if they all returned to this country without a change of opinion then we would have a huge problem. If humans can be smuggled into the country, weapons wouldn't be a problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would intern their intire family, all known associates and seriously investigate their mosque. Unless and until authorities were convinced they did not represent a threat, they should be kept out of our society. It is well time the coffee was smelt on this 'cos it isn't going away. We are in a fight for survival, like it or not.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ducati wrote:
I would intern their intire family, all known associates and seriously investigate their mosque. Unless and until authorities were convinced they did not represent a threat, they should be kept out of our society. It is well time the coffee was smelt on this 'cos it isn't going away. We are in a fight for survival, like it or not.


Many of the families are aware of what some of their members are getting up to, if they don't give up their errant members then they are guilty by association.

I hope when they return they merge back into British society, but I think they will have been far too radicalised, and seen too much excitement, to settle down, and the fried potato burden upon their shoulders will be bigger and heavier! Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect they will be less of a problem now as the US will try very hard to wipe them from the face of the earth. Will be quite successful to as it is very hard to move in a vehicle or even on foot when the sky is black with drones packing smart bombs and Hellfire missiles.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was quite disappointed to see on the news, that the cameras were pointed at an IS position, complete with black flags and everything, that quite patently wasn't being bombed. The Yanks really need to up their game!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was discussing this with a good friend of mine who I have known since childhood.  He has been employed at top diplomatic levels over the years and he suggested that they will not let these radical fundamentalists come back. Not a lot he could say outright but i got the message - they are likely to come to a sticky end... so to speak and that would be a HUGE loss of course.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

secrets wrote:
I was discussing this with a good friend of mine who I have known since childhood.  He has been employed at top diplomatic levels over the years and he suggested that they will not let these radical fundamentalists come back. Not a lot he could say outright but i got the message - they are likely to come to a sticky end... so to speak and that would be a HUGE loss of course.
well I certainly hope the are not permitted to renter the UK, I don't really care how, in view of there contribution to atrocities. Sticky or not some form of end is required! Welcome aboard BTW.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's not the hardest job in the world to find them despite what they may think and if and when the govt decides it's time to take action then no doubt their end will be swift
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, something has to be done and damned soon, this country has been bending over backwards for years to appease the islamic faith . ..  
we can be fair to the moderates but we just have to come down hard on the extremists. no other way round this . they are barbarians.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

extremist in anything are a dangerous thing when they group, when its a religion it is at its worst !! no religion should be aloud to push governments to the point that they are scared to act against them when they commit atrocities against there people. Political correctness gone too far!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactly.  where terrorism is concerned, a bill should be passed to shove the human rights bill up their assholes. and it should happen asap.

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