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RagnarRocks

Ebola global threat or continental

I've been tracking this epidemic for a few months now from when it was a handful of cases seems it's now spreading more quickly than we could of believed before and is now the largest ever ebola outbreak, with new cases popping up far to regularly. With the frightening speed with which this disease is spreading is it purely an African continent problem or will it spread elsewhere ?
MI16

i think it will spread, hopefulloy it can be contained before pandemic levels
mrsbradey

Unfortunately I believe it will be impossible to contain, it only takes one lapse in security and it will be out. Is there a vaccine?
RagnarRocks

They have an experimental vaccine but from what I read only had twelve doses.  A friend of mine in South Africa says they aren't too worried as it's still mainly up I'm one area but today's figures show over 1000 dead and 2000 infected that's quite a jump.
mrsbradey

return of infected nurse to uk!

Do you think that the nurse that was returned to the UK in a plastic bubble due to being infected with the virus, should have been allowed to re enter the UK? Or should he have been treated where he was?

The virus is definately now in the UK, and we all know what hospital bio security can be like!!!
RagnarRocks

Fairly typical of today's wishy washy PC liberalism risk the lives of millions to save one person. Personally I'd of flown the equipment out to him rather than let him in the country same result with zero potential for risking the population here. Also the equipment could of been used after to save more lives out there so the end result would of been more beneficial.
mrsbradey

RagnarRocks wrote:
Fairly typical of today's wishy washy PC liberalism risk the lives of millions to save one person. Personally I'd of flown the equipment out to him rather than let him in the country same result with zero potential for risking the population here. Also the equipment could of been used after to save more lives out there so the end result would of been more beneficial.
Totally agree with you there, old chap!! Confused
johno

Re: Ebola global threat or continental

RagnarRocks wrote:
I've been tracking this epidemic for a few months now from when it was a handful of cases seems it's now spreading more quickly than we could of believed before and is now the largest ever ebola outbreak, with new cases popping up far to regularly. With the frightening speed with which this disease is spreading is it purely an African continent problem or will it spread elsewhere ?

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I dont think it can be contained, in the last 30 years the world has become a very small place, i/e world travellers etc.. we have it here already.
mrsbradey

Re: Ebola global threat or continental

johno wrote:
RagnarRocks wrote:
I've been tracking this epidemic for a few months now from when it was a handful of cases seems it's now spreading more quickly than we could of believed before and is now the largest ever ebola outbreak, with new cases popping up far to regularly. With the frightening speed with which this disease is spreading is it purely an African continent problem or will it spread elsewhere ?

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I dont think it can be contained, in the last 30 years the world has become a very small place, i/e world travellers etc.. we have it here already.
We certainly do now!!
orkneycadian

You just need to look at how containment of a similarly infectious disease, foot and mouth (the bovine et al variety) is effected, to see the vast difference between the two.  With FiM, efforts centre on containment and reduction in opportunities to spread it.  With Ebola, efforts seem to be on treatment.  For a disease with between 55% and 90% mortality rates (the BBC reckon this round is 55% but it can be up to 90%), then that is very muc h a case of horses, stable doors and inneffective padlocks.

Recent FiM outbreaks have highlighted that the modern way of living exacerbates the situation significantly.  Importing meat and livestock from other countries in preference to using home reared livestock, and the vast distances that livestock now have to travel to an abbatoir due to daft EU regulations, are just 2 reasons why more recent FiM outbreaks have been so widespread.

Do the same with Ebola, and then no one should be surprised when it becomes wide reaching.  Or we could al just absorb yet more vaccines, until we all become Ebola vaccine resistant, just like everything else!
mrsbradey

orkneycadian wrote:
You just need to look at how containment of a similarly infectious disease, foot and mouth (the bovine et al variety) is effected, to see the vast difference between the two.  With FiM, efforts centre on containment and reduction in opportunities to spread it.  With Ebola, efforts seem to be on treatment.  For a disease with between 55% and 90% mortality rates (the BBC reckon this round is 55% but it can be up to 90%), then that is very muc h a case of horses, stable doors and inneffective padlocks.

Recent FiM outbreaks have highlighted that the modern way of living exacerbates the situation significantly.  Importing meat and livestock from other countries in preference to using home reared livestock, and the vast distances that livestock now have to travel to an abbatoir due to daft EU regulations, are just 2 reasons why more recent FiM outbreaks have been so widespread.

Do the same with Ebola, and then no one should be surprised when it becomes wide reaching.  Or we could al just absorb yet more vaccines, until we all become Ebola vaccine resistant, just like everything else!

So we're all doomed!!  Crying or Very sad
RagnarRocks

So we're all doomed!!  Crying or Very sad[/quote]


YES you are.

I had a owl land on my roof last night apparently Mother Nature is cooking up a global pandemic especial just for you  Twisted Evil  Evil or Very Mad  Wink Shocked   :
RagnarRocks

I was reading that Liberia the epidemic is out of control and spreading like wildfire. The govt are saying it's causing major problems for them to maintain the normal functions of state
RagnarRocks

Nice of the USA to send 3000 folks to aid with bringing the virus under control and china to lend a helping hand.

That's 3000 vectors to get it back to good ole USA the public will love that one
orkneycadian

Stats seem to suggest its doubling every 2 - 3 weeks, deaths as well as cases....

2600
5200
10400
20800
41600
83200
Christmas
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645600
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2582400
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RagnarRocks

You're right it's starting to hit big numbers now a few years ago the world would of been in lockdown if they'd of seen the same numbers with a flu outbreak.
Look for the upshot you can volunteer to get dosed up with the new trial ebola stuff in London free of charge.

Now that's got to be worth jumping out of bed for on a Saturday morning
orkneycadian

orkneycadian wrote:
Stats seem to suggest its doubling every 2 - 3 weeks, deaths as well as cases....

2600
5200
10400
20800
41600
83200
Christmas
166400
322800
645600
1291200
2582400
5144800
10289600
20579200
......
......
...... (the numbers are getting too big for mental arithmetic this late in the day....)



Over 400 more since this time last week Sad  Not quite a doubling every 2 - 3 weeks for a good job, but still a concerning rise.  And still a fraction of the number of deaths from numerous other less "exotic" causes but a concerning rise all the same
RagnarRocks

Just what the doctor ordered the USA has an ebola patient now, considered in a serious condition and left on 19th sept. So let's see how far this person has travelled spread th disease since then.
RagnarRocks

Ahh the Joy of living well away from others.
The slow creep of this disease has started across the globe.
susie

You see, you were all right about Ebola. The US has got a case now on top of the Spanish one, how long until we get one in the UK with all the to-ing and  fro-ing going on?
I can't see how they can contain such a problem.
Sierra Leone hasn't got control of their outbreak and I suppose the same is true in the other African states and countries. It's a very worrying situation.
ducati

In danger of muting the panic. Ebola isn't particularly infectous. Normal hygiene is sufficient to kill the virus such as washing hands with soap. A nasty illness with a high mortality rate yes, but not as infectous as many others we cope with every day.
susie

ducati wrote:
In danger of muting the panic. Ebola isn't particularly infectous. Normal hygiene is sufficient to kill the virus such as washing hands with soap. A nasty illness with a high mortality rate yes, but not as infectous as many others we cope with every day.

I didn't realise and now I'm confused as to how it's all so bad in Africa and why the Spanish nurse touched her face with a contaminated glove etc
I read that the men burying Ebola deaths in one African country had gone on strike because they weren't being paid. Why did the authorities do that?
ducati

African countrys are full of forners so who knows?

If you want to stay safe, stay home.
susie

ducati wrote:
African countrys are full of forners so who knows?

If you want to stay safe, stay home.

Your advice is excellent, I have been practicing this for 50 odd years and will continue. I haven't been out of Scotland for 25 years and last time I went out of Caithness was about 2 years ago when we went to Torrisdale. Do you think I'm safe now ducati?
susie

Plus, I stopped eating bats of any description when I gave up eating meat.
RagnarRocks

ducati wrote:
In danger of muting the panic. Ebola isn't particularly infectous. Normal hygiene is sufficient to kill the virus such as washing hands with soap. A nasty illness with a high mortality rate yes, but not as infectous as many others we cope with every day.



Remind me to send a note to the CDC in Dallas and the authorities in Madrid. I'm sure they will find your explanation most helpful.

Let me make sure I've got what your saying right !


No need for hazmat suits just wash your hands thoroughly !!!
ducati

Well I mean't in the general population. I think if you are treating someone with Ebola, then a hasmat suit. I'm not planning to though.
orkneycadian

susie wrote:
Plus, I stopped eating bats of any description when I gave up eating meat.


A vegetarian farmer?

Get some meat in you woman, for goodness sake!
RagnarRocks

ducati wrote:
Well I mean't in the general population. I think if you are treating someone with Ebola, then a hasmat suit. I'm not planning to though.


Ok so in Liberia If they all start washing their hands the problem will resolve itself .

Interesting theory have you spoken to the UN about this maybe they'd be keen to take your advice considering all the specialist have apparently got it wrong
susie

orkneycadian wrote:
susie wrote:
Plus, I stopped eating bats of any description when I gave up eating meat.


A vegetarian farmer?

Get some meat in you woman, for goodness sake!

I can't, if I eat meat it volcanically and immediately erupts. I've always loved meat too but it don't love me.
mrsbradey

susie wrote:
orkneycadian wrote:
susie wrote:
Plus, I stopped eating bats of any description when I gave up eating meat.


A vegetarian farmer?

Get some meat in you woman, for goodness sake!

I can't, if I eat meat it volcanically and immediately erupts. I've always loved meat too but it don't love me.


Nice!! Confused
ducati

RagnarRocks wrote:
ducati wrote:
Well I mean't in the general population. I think if you are treating someone with Ebola, then a hasmat suit. I'm not planning to though.


Ok so in Liberia If they all start washing their hands the problem will resolve itself .

Interesting theory have you spoken to the UN about this maybe they'd be keen to take your advice considering all the specialist have apparently got it wrong


Er.. that is the advice, from the specialists. Idea
ducati

orkneycadian wrote:
susie wrote:
Plus, I stopped eating bats of any description when I gave up eating meat.


A vegetarian farmer?

Get some meat in you woman, for goodness sake!


Nobody needs meat Orky. It is a lifestyle choice. Don't worry though, I doubt if the meat undustry will go anywhere.
mrsbradey

I eat meat to keep me big and plump and warm, not like you shivering beanpole veggies!! Laughing
ducati

mrsbradey wrote:
I eat meat to keep me big and plump and warm, not like you shivering beanpole veggies!! Laughing


Yes that is a problem, being so thin Laughing
orkneycadian

I see the New Yorkers are finally cottoning on and implementing a 21 day quarantine period.  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-29769493

I wonder how long this country will take to cotton on..... Rolling Eyes

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